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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     Feb-3 2:34 pm  
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GIBSON ADDING PRO-JEWISH ENDING TO 'PASSION'?

Mel Gibson says, "Yes" to Mike Evans' recommendation  

I was recently invited to a special screening of "The Passion of the Christ" in Dallas to make recommendations regarding the film. My agent-attorney, my pastor, and 30 other leaders were also invited. At the end of the screening, Mr. Gibson humbly asked if we felt the film could incite anti-Semitism and, if so, what could be done to avoid it. 

Sign our Letter of Thanks to Mr. Gibson for his concern and response, now! 

I explained to Mr. Gibson that the Crucifixion story had been used by anti-Semites to feed and fuel Jew-hatred throughout history, and that anti-Semitism has risen throughout the world to levels not seen since the days of Hitler. I further stated that the film, in its present form, could incite violence against Jews in the former USSR, Muslim countries and Europe, and could even result in Jews being killed. 

I related to Mr. Gibson that the Christian church in Germany supported Hitler, and a major reason for that support was the belief that Jews were suffering for their sin of crucifying the Savior. Oswald J. Smith of the People's Church in Toronto, who visited Germany in 1936, said: 

"Every true Christian in Germany is for Hitler. I know, for it was from the Christians that I got my information, and right or wrong they endorse Hitler." I also told him that great numbers in the Muslim world teach Hitler's evil myths to their children, even in the schools. This is the reason it is so very important to correct this. Purely and simply, the foundation of terrorism is firmly imbedded in bigotry! 

Mr. Gibson listened intently, hung his head, and was deeply moved. "What can I do," he asked? I responded, "When the last scene ends go to black, scroll these words across the screen: "During the Roman occupation, 250,000 Jews were crucified by the Romans, but only One rose from the dead." 

"By doing this," I said, "instead of feeding Jew-hatred, you will be fighting it. You will be communicating the suffering of all Jews under Roman occupation. By simply inserting this statement, those who desire to use the film to incite hatred toward Jews will be deterred. 

"Those who might use the movie to incite Jew-hatred would know that they would be doing just the opposite - challenging the evil myths (that Jews are cursed for crucifying Christ and are Christ-killers) taught throughout history, and still today. In addition, 'The Passion of the Christ' would be the first Jesus film produced to fight anti-Semitism by telling the true story of Jewish suffering during the time of Christ." 

Mel Gibson became very excited, and said, "Perfect! I will do it. Yes, I will do it. I needed something for that spot anyway. This is it. I will do it. Thank you." 

At the showing in Dallas, no one was given a legal form to sign, so I am not bound to a confidentiality agreement. Why am I speaking out now? Because the film was screened when I was in Orlando on Jan. 21 and 22. I realized that leaders in the Jewish community were still extremely worried about increased anti-Semitism because of the film. 

I became convinced it was time to let the Jewish community know that Mr. Gibson is very concerned, and is making a historic contribution to combat anti-Semitism. Never before has any effort been made in any Jesus film to correct the myths and misinformation propagated by Jew-hatred. 

Please take this opportunity to thank Mel Gibson for his willingness to make this change. Let him know how much you appreciate it, and ask your friends to do the same because numbers of Jew-haters will try to persuade him to do otherwise. 

"The Passion of the Christ" opens on Feb. 25, Ash Wednesday. 

Jerusalem Prayer Team
PO Box 910
Euless, TX 76039
1-800-825-3872
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 4:08 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (2 of 15)  
 
  792.2 in reply to 792.1  
 
Excellent!!

 

I think that is the perfect thing to do at the end of the movie.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Its going to be an exciting Resurrection Spring Time.

 

Im seeing a lot of interest in the Jesus Walk 2004 Resurrection (Easter) 2004 Timeline Personal Devotional Journal.

 

The Jesus Walk ties in really well with The Passion the Passion is a 12 hour Timeline and Jesus Walk covers a 10 day Timeline including the same Passion events.

 

Please Recommend Jesus Walk 2004 to anyone who you think might be interested in it.

 

www.BasicChristian.org/jesuswalk.html

 

God Bless you,
David



David A. Brown
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  From:  8320john1   Feb-4 3:23 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (3 of 15)  
 
  792.3 in reply to 792.1  
 
No, the script, (Gospel Truth) should have remained as Written, and that is, "...His Blood be ON US AND our children." And so it was and so it is. Mel wimped out at the wrong time. If the Truth is anti-semitic, so be it. 
"I am the Lord, I CHANGE NOT." 

But Mel does change and caves in to pressure NOT of the Truth. Now, instead of an accurate film, the Roman Catholic disciple is just another compromiser with the Word of God. I have no intention of seeing the film at all, no interest at all. 

The Blood of Yeshua is YET put at the door of the Jews as a corporate entity and until the remnant repents and are given a new heart, they are considered culpable as a nation. They called down His Blood on their heads and that of their children and their entreaty was granted. 

The continuing persecution of the Jews is not some isolated incident that pops up every now and then, it has a purpose and a promise and the Jews are the recipients of that promise and purpose. Time alone does not wipe out blood guilt (murder). 

"But John, the present day Jews had nothing at all to do with the crucifixion." 

True, but neither did I have anything to do with the incident in the garden, but as a result of Adam, I will die. I can't argue that I was not there, or that I would not have partaken of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, I die anyway and so will you. The man, Adam represented the entire stream of humanity and there is nothing you can do about it. No protest or writ to the US "supreme" court will alter that fact. And neither will the Blood (murder) of Yeshua by the Jews be expiated until the time appointed. 

The Arm of HaShem is stretched out still and the sword is yet the fate of the sons of Jacob. 

"His Blood be on US AND OUR CHILDREN." 

And so it is. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-4 8:16 am  
To:  8320john1   (4 of 15)  
 
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Hi John,

 

Thanks for your post.

 

I think that is the point the truth is not Anti-Semitic.

 

Jesus is Jewish and He is certainly not Anti-Semitic. 

 

In the Grace of God the Jewish Cry of His Blood be Upon Us and Our Children is going to be the BEST CRY EVER UTTERED because that is in fact what we need and want, it is also our cry in the Church, it is the cry of every redeemed person, is the Blood of Jesus upon us.

 

At that time they saw the blood of Jesus as the blood of a man but in time they will see it as the Precious Redeeming Blood of God that it is and they will already be covered by it.

 

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  8320john1   Feb-4 10:49 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 15)  
 
  792.5 in reply to 792.4  
 
Yes, in time they will see it as the means of their salvation. God makes even the wrath of man to praise Him and the remainder of wrath doeth He restrain. 
The Jews of course did not utter these words but in hatred and deep malice driven by the errant understanding of the priest class. It will take the plagues, the vials, all the end time judgements of God to bring Israel to their knees before they are finally stripped of their stiff necks and stubborn heart. It is a work of God from begining to end. 

Peace and Blessings,
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-4 11:56 am  
To:  8320john1   (6 of 15)  
 
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Well I totally disagree.

 

The Jews are already the Redeemed of God it is their Salvation that has been postponed but only because according to the Book of Acts currently it is the Time of the Gentiles. 

 

Every grievous and great Error of the Church has begun with blaming, accusing or trying to remove the Jewish people from their rightful heritage of Gods Chosen People.

 

We all know that it is our Sins that caused Jesus to go to the Cross and not one specific group or leadership of people, Roman or Jewish.

 

God Bless you always,

David



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  From:  8320john1   Feb-4 2:27 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 15)  
 
  792.7 in reply to 792.6  
 
No, the Jews are not redeemed...only the remnant WILL be redeemed at the restoration. Most Jews are lost. 




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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     Feb-4 6:50 pm  
To:  8320john1   (8 of 15)  
 
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"His Blood be on US AND OUR CHILDREN." 

So be it, self-fullfilling prophecy, whether in anger, hatred, fear, or righteousness is by God's design, fulfilled as He intended.  Blessed be that God's word changes not.  

Choosing not to see a movie because in your opinion it has an element of err, loses the main essense of trying to educate people to the horror and price of our salvation.  It's a little like throwing out the baby with the bath water.  

I am believing that there are many who will be turned from their ungodly ways and accept Christ, even though there may be poetic license taken by Hollywood.  You have to try to give credit to a man, who has been Hollywood's darling for many years make a bold attempt to tell the truth about Jesus Christ and why He left glory to be here among us poor and ignorant species of men to bridge the gap between The Father and man.  It is time that Hollywood's influential people become embroilled with specific issues relating to spirituality other than sensationalism of the occult.  Seeing the bigger picture of what this film is saying and trying to convey to the lost and poor people of this land and of the world is far more important than a mere technicality.  No one is going to be happy completely with this picture, but Gibson tried to do his best at bringing about a more accurate picture of our Lord's ministry.  For this alone, it is worth giving the man credit and my money to promote salvation, redemption, and the Christian way of belief.  I hope Hollywood makes more of these films in the future, and they will if we, as Christians, support their efforts.  

 
 
  
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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-5 1:26 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 15)  
 
  792.9 in reply to 792.4  
 
In the Grace of God the Jewish Cry of His Blood be Upon Us and Our Children is going to be the BEST CRY EVER UTTERED because that is in fact what we need and want, it is also our cry in the Church, it is the cry of every redeemed person, is the Blood of Jesus upon us.

AMEN! I wish more people could understand that, The Jews actually "accepted" the blood of Jesus before anyone else did.

Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-5 1:28 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 15)  
 
  792.10 in reply to 792.6  
 
Every grievous and great Error of the Church has begun with blaming, accusing or trying to remove the Jewish people from their rightful heritage of Gods Chosen People

AMEN!

We all know that it is our Sins that caused Jesus to go to the Cross and not one specific group or leadership of people, Roman or Jewish.

AMEN! again

Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
(Watch ye therefore and Pray always)

  

Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Click here to visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site.
   Pat Marvenko Smith


  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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  From:  8320john1   Feb-5 4:47 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (11 of 15)  
 
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All well and good...and I agree in part. But to delete the very important fragment of the story, that of the Jews cry for His Blood to be on them and their children, grants a false sense of expiation of guilt. The Jews cannot escape their odium regardless of what Mel does...they stand as a collective entity, identified as the sons of the fathers that murdered Messiah, the King of Kings. Both Paul and Peter lay the guilt of this deed at the feet of the men of Judea, the Jews. They wear the jacket even if they do not like the color. 
Only repentance will release forgiveness, and that is in the future. 

Until that time, 

...the sword and scatterings with persecution.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-5 8:55 am  
To:  Watchman77    (12 of 15)  
 
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Hi Watchman 77,

 

You just made my day by agreeing that the Jewish people did accept the blood of Jesus, and Blessed are they yet they do not yet know the magnitude of their Blessing. Just like we do not know the magnitude of our Blessings.

 

That entire situation of One person making the decision and saving the entire City or Nation is set up in the Old Testament in 2nd Samuel 20:16-22.

 

Solomon reveals that as a unique Nation that one person can pray for and confess for the sins of the entire Nation of Israel (i.e. as a proxy High Priest) 2 Chronicles 6:12-42.

 

Daniel does just that in his praying for the restoration of Israel Daniel 9:20 And while I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel,

 

The cry for the blood of Jesus to be upon the Jews and their children has to have major ramifications or it wouldnt be in the Bible and it specifically wouldnt be in there during the other important crucifixion events if it was not of paramount importance.

 

God is for good and He causes good things to happen and His allowing His blood to be upon His people is going to have good results. If it were a cures or a bad thing Jesus could have rescinded it and said no you dont want that.

 

God Bless you always,
David



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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-5 1:42 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 15)  
 
  792.13 in reply to 792.12  
 
Hi Watchman 77,

 

You just made my day by agreeing that the Jewish people did accept the blood of Jesus, and Blessed are they yet they do not yet know the magnitude of their Blessing. Just like we do not know the magnitude of our Blessings.


Hello David...

Just as you made mine when you mentioned it :-). I have broached this subject with other christians before and they really think I am grasping to think that would mean that. But I remember very distinctly when God revealed this truth to me. I was reading the bible and read where the Jews said that, and it was like a little voice in my head said, "Wow! the Jews accepted His blood FIRST." 
You are so right, none of us have any idea of the magnitude of our Blessing.

 

That entire situation of One person making the decision and saving the entire City or Nation is set up in the Old Testament in 2nd Samuel 20:16-22.

 

Solomon reveals that as a unique Nation that one person can pray for and confess for the sins of the entire Nation of Israel (i.e. as a proxy High Priest) 2 Chronicles 6:12-42.

 

Daniel does just that in his praying for the restoration of Israel Daniel 9:20 And while I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel,

 

The cry for the blood of Jesus to be upon the Jews and their children has to have major ramifications or it wouldnt be in the Bible and it specifically wouldnt be in there during the other important crucifixion events if it was not of paramount importance.


I agree, and unfortunately much of the christian church believes it was for a blood curse, but in fact it was them accepting the blood of Jesus as a covering and the blood of Jesus as a covering is what gives us salvation.

 

God is for good and He causes good things to happen and His allowing His blood to be upon His people is going to have good results. If it were a cures or a bad thing Jesus could have rescinded it and said no you dont want that


Yes, we know that God works all things for good. His perfect will will be done, and He says He will save and restore Israel. They have been blinded for a reason, but God's love and commitment to them has not changed. If He could break His covenant with Israel, then He could break His covenant with any of us and no one would have any hope of salvation.

Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
(Watch ye therefore and Pray always)

  

Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Click here to visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site.
   Pat Marvenko Smith


  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-5 2:34 pm  
To:  Watchman77    (14 of 15)  
 
  792.14 in reply to 792.13  
 
Hi Watchman,

 

Excellent posting!!

 

I agree, this topic of the Redemption and Salvation for the Jews is actually what spurred me into the Internet because I got so tired of discussing (arguing) with other Christians about it that I decided just to post on the Internet where people can read it on thier own and have their own thoughs without needing to argue the point.

 

So much of the Church does not seem to understand Romans that the Promises & the Covenants Belong to the Jews and Ephesians that we gentiles have been brought into what the Jews already have.

 

If the Jews are not saved then for certain neither are any gentiles-Church.

 

I have a series of booklets that I have been writing and one of them is regarding the Situation of the Jews the Church and of Gentiles. Hopefully I can get some more work done on it this summer after Easter.

 

God Bless you,
David



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   From:  Watchman77    Feb-5 5:31 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 15)  
 
  792.15 in reply to 792.14  
 
I agree, this topic of the Redemption and Salvation for the Jews is actually what spurred me into the Internet because I got so tired of discussing (arguing) with other Christians about it that I decided just to post on the Internet where people can read it on thier own and have their own thoughs without needing to argue the point.

 

I understand completely, that is the reason I started a Delphi forum was because I had things I felt God wanted me to say, and nowhere they seemed to be welcomed. So I started Watch ye therefore and Pray Nov. 1, 2001.

 

So much of the Church does not seem to understand Romans that the Promises & the Covenants Belong to the Jews and Ephesians that we gentiles have been brought into what the Jews already have.


You are so right here... and it is very sad. How can a christian feel secure in their relationship with God if they believe that He can break His "everlasting" covenant with the Jews? I see our covenant in Jesus as the fulfillment of the covenant God made with the Jews, not a replacement. It started with Abraham and ended with Jesus.

 

If the Jews are not saved then for certain neither are any gentiles-Church.


Amen! Jesus is the Messiah of the Jews \o/

 

I have a series of booklets that I have been writing and one of them is regarding the Situation of the Jews the Church and of Gentiles. Hopefully I can get some more work done on it this summer after Easter.


I would be interested in hearing more about your booklets if you would like to share... I have never understood the "churches" insistence that the Jews were forsaken. It is the Replacement Theology and it is a very dangerous teaching that is very prevalent in the church today. That somehow the church has replaced Israel in all her blessing, but they sure don't want to lay any claim on her curses.

Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
(Watch ye therefore and Pray always)

  

Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Click here to visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site.
   Pat Marvenko Smith


  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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